Edit: My connection to Statesman Alexander Hamilton is probably false. His Y-chromosome was I-m253. My Y-chromosome is I-m223. Sorry...
I have a German Y chromosome and that I am closely related to several people with the surname Vance or Wentz by DNA. These Vance and Wentz families trace their lineage back to Good King Wenceslas. However, I do have reason to think that some from the Wence family migrated to Scotland before coming to America. However, this blog is not about that. This is about a different migration that is through the Vikings and King Bernard “The Dane,” next the Harcourts, next the Beaumonts of France, and finally the Hamiltons, and to the best of my knowledge does not include Good King Wenceslas
What I posted below is most importantly a direct lineage that makes that route possible starting with me and my most recent ancestors with the present surname “Hamilton” with the my Y chromosome and following its connection to back to King Bernard "The Dane" through Humphrey de Vaux, a member of the noble Harcourt family descended from the Vikings, and shares a more recent common ancestor that seems true given the ancestry of USA Statesman Alexander Hamilton. One might be able to see this is important to me because I share my surname with the late Statesman Alexander Hamilton.
My lineage starting from Hamilton goes through the Hamilton knights of Cadzow back to Gilbert de Hambledon son of William de Hambledon who traveled to Scotland from the Beaumonts, a noble family in France. Then, further back the Beaumonts come from the German Harcourt family.
Why? Look below, there is Humphrey of the Harcourt family that goes by the name Vaux, which is an alternate spelling of Vance! Thus, I suggest that my link with the modern German Vance family is probably about 1,000 years old, starting from the Harcourts. This is how I could be related to the Vance family by DNA, but wound up with a different surname.
HARCOURTS BY OTHER NAMES
1. Torf. According to Robert of Torigny (GND, viii. c. 37), Torf was the father of Turold and Turchetil (see also OV ii. 12). It is wrongly assumed that this Turchetil was a forefather of the Harcourts; he died childless, passing his estate to his great-nephew, Asketil (cart. Preaux, fol. 97v; CP xi. Instr., col. 201 a. d., Du Monstier, Neustria Pia, p. 522, 1663). Turold mar. Duvelina de Crepon, sister of Gunnor, the wife of ‘Duke’ Richard; they were ancestors of the Beaumont family of Pont-Audemer, and, according to Auguste le Prevost, of the Harcourts, with Turold and Duvelina being the parents of both Onfroi de Vieilles (GND vii. 1. 3.), and Turchetil. (See Ordericus, ed. Prevost, vol. i., p. 180; ii. pp. 14, 369, 370; iii. pp. 42, 229).
1.1. Turchetil.
1.2. ‘Turoldis teneri ducis pedagogus perimitur’ (Will. Gemet, VII.).
1.2.1. Hunfrid (Onfroi de Vieilles, alias Vetulis or Vaux, lord of Vieilles; a small commune in the canton of Beaumont, arrondissement of Bernay. (Humphrey)
1.2.1.1. Roger de Beaumont; Asketil, his dapifer, being a junior kinsman.
1.2.1.1.1. Robert de Beaumont, Ist Earl Leicester.
1.2.1.1.1.1. Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl Leicester, founder of Garendon in 1133, to which donated his kinsmen, Hugh de Berges, and his son, Asketil.
Something else to consider is that the USA statesman Alexander Hamilton had Gilbert de Hamilton and other Scottish nobility as ancestors and that Alexander Hamilton is in the I-M223 group, which most in the Hamilton clan are not I-M223! Imposters? I’ll take a bet that they are because I-M223 is strongly associated with vikings, which is where both Alexander Hamilton and I could share ancestors. However, I also claim to have descended from Gilbert de Hamilton and I am of the group I-M223, like Alexander Hamilton, but not like other Hamiltons other than ancestral originators of the clan starting with Gilbert de Hamilton, who is sometimes called Gilbert de Hambledon.
The major difficulty to explain though is why am I a Hamilton, but when given a DNA test there are no other Hamiltons with my DNA that have been tested. One would think that if I am a Hamilton, there would be some other Hamiltons with my Y chromosomal DNA on record.
This is what I think my lineage is though based on the ancestry of Statesman Alexander Hamilton:
These might be my ancestors.
Bernard "the Dane"
He is supposed to have been the ancestor of two great Anglo-Norman baronial families, the Beaumonts and the Harcourts. Bernard the Dane (French: Bernard le Danois) (c. 880 – before 960) was a Viking jarl (earl) of Danish origins.
1. Touroude (Torulf, Turulf) de PONTAUDEMER
2. Humphry de Belmont (Vaux). This is where I (Craig) am suggesting that I get my German Y-Chromosome from that I share with Statesman Alexander Hamilton, and my Y-chromosome with the Vance and Wentz surname.
3.Roger de Beaumont (de Belmont) (c. 1015 – 29 November 1094)
4. Robert 1st Earl of Leichester (de Beaumont)
5. Robert 2nd Earl of Leichester
6. Robert 3rd Earl of Leichester
7. William de Hambledon (de Breteuil)
8. Gilbert de Hamilton
9. Walter FitzGilbert de Hamilton, 1st of Cadzow
10. Sir David FitzWalter de Hamilton, 2nd of Cadzow (ancestor of Statesman Alexander Hamilton)
This page has some of Statesman Alexander Hamilton's ancestry:
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